LA INTERVENCION DE MARIA ZALDIVAR EN EL SENADO Y LA JUEZA SANDRA ARROYO SALGADO.

Publicado en 02/12,2015

Mi intervención en el Senado:

Dos comentarios sintéticos antes de ir al tema que nos reúne: primero, que voy a ser breve y luego, quiero agradecer esta invitación a compartir con ustedes mis reflexiones. No lo tomen como un cumplido porque no lo es; lo valoro sinceramente; y tal sea esta la única frase amable que tenga para con los dueños de casa.

Ayer hablaba con mi hijo sobre esta reunión. Mi hijo que vive muy lejos gracias a este país ingrato que expulsa a nuestros jóvenes profesionales a buscar afuera mejores condiciones laborales, desafíos profesionales y mayor calidad de vida. Y él me dijo: “Traten de ver que se trata de un punto de inflexión, que el episodio Nisman es un antes y un después en la vida de nuestro país”. Y tomé su sugerencia. Pensé que, por su edad y por la perspectiva sobre los temas que le otorga la distancia, nos devolvía una mirada que nosotros podemos no tener.
Y reconocí que en verdad lo sucedido es un punto de inflexión. Pero quiero plantear en este debate “que sea” un punto de inflexión, no vaya a ser cosa que en poco tiempo también esta atrocidad termine cubierta por la siguiente atrocidad.

La luz de esperanza es esta convocatoria. Que los diputados y senadores hayan convocado a la sociedad civil es el reconocimiento explícito del fracaso del sistema de representación formal. Porque de otro modo, ninguno de nosotros estaría acá. No es tiempo de reclamos pero si vamos a empezar a hacer las cosas de otra manera, es importante reconocer las responsabilidades.

Pero como acabo de decir, no es momento de planteos. No pueden solos y han pedido el respaldo de la sociedad civil. Pues acá estamos. Como estaremos, en similares circunstancias, el miércoles próximo respaldando al Poder Judicial, que también ha pedido la presencia ciudadana. No será el momento de preguntarle a los hombres de la justicia qué hicieron hasta el día anterior a la muerte de Alberto Nisman, ni con cuánta firmeza defendieron la independencia de la justicia ante el avance del poder político. Vamos a estar.
El periodismo juega un rol curioso en esta familia disfuncional en que se ha transformado la sociedad argentina. Cuando fallan los canales de representación, el público nos utiliza como tales. Y aún cuando no fuimos elegidos para representar, representamos. Aceptamos esa mochila adicional y pagamos el costo, porque nos cuesta caro. Y nosotros no tenemos fueros pero igual lo hacemos. Y hoy levantamos la apuesta y nos comprometemos a eso y a no dejar caer esta causa en el olvido, ni a permitir que nos la tapen con otras cuestiones.
La sociedad comprometida, el periodismo comprometido; faltan ustedes. Queremos saber si esta vez va a ser en serio, sin van a ir a fondo, sin contemplaciones con este poder politico arbitrario que se ha cansado de erosionar las libertades individuales y las instituciones republicanas.
Queremos la respuesta por mi hijo que está lejos, por los padres de muchos otros jóvenes que tambien se fueron y muy en especial por los miles de padres que, en virtud de la inseguridad sumada a la falta de justicia no pueden esperar la vuelta de sus hijos.
Por todos ellos necesitamos el compromiso de ustedes.
Aunque hagamos todo bien de ahora en más no podremos devolverle la vida a Alberto Nisman. Pero al menos estamos a tiempo de devolverle la vida plena a nuestra república, que hoy languidece frente a nuestros ojos.



Comentarios

  1. ana
    02/12,2015 | 23:49

    Los hijos EDGARDO ,cuando se destacan en algo VIVEN YA LA INTERNACIONALIDAD.
    Es triste en mi caso mi hija que lleva tecnología argentina ,fruto del esfuerzo del país a países que APARENTEMENTE NO ENTRAN EN LA IDEOLOGIA DE EE UU y bajo relación de dependencia de empresas norteamericanas.

  2. ana
    02/13,2015 | 11:23

    Si con semejante MAMARRACHO DE PRESIDENTE un pueblo sigue votando por ella(no estoy segura que tolere un aparentemente civilizado como SCIOLI) ya estamos como para el MANICOMIO DIRECTAMENTE.

  3. 02/13,2015 | 11:49

    Le censure 3 o 4 comentarios por inadecuados para estos dias.Tengo mi propia informacion sobre lo que ocurrio en el SENADO y algunos pormenores que rodean este asunto.Pero me los reservo,sabe porque Ana ? Porque mi enemigo es la sicotica,mi enemigo es Cristinita la de los falsos muñones.Esa sirvientita esencial que no sabe que en el rito judio el silencio es ensordecedor.El acto donde este puñado de canallas se apropiaba de la musica,con menos rspeto hacia el pueblo que la elite comunista que conoci demuestra el grado de su envilecimiento.Tenemos todavia mas de 1000 octogenarios enjaulados,sin proceso,por obra de los caprichitos de una tilinga sempiterna , analfabeta y guaranga que usa a la gente como Forster,Norman Brisky o el inadecuado Landau para justificar y ahondar tercamente el disionismo de la sociedad argentina.Para seguir teniendo poder vicario y sobre todo seguir robando.No lo permitiremos.Aunque tengamos que usar,como una sutil aguja piconeando en el corazon del sistema, calibre juridico mayor.Que pase usted un buen dia.
    Edgardo Arrivillaga.

  4. 02/13,2015 | 11:58

    Sin las redes sociales, el 'caso Nisman' no se hubiese instalado con la inmediatez que ocurrió. Sin el periodismo, el 'caso Nisman' hubiera quedado en un fiscal federal desesperado que se suicidaba por alguna inseguridad emocional. El periodismo tiene un rol relevante en la Argentina en la que los políticos sufren una crisis de credibilidad. Y los periodistas terminan asumiendo, obligados, hasta roles que o no les competen o no les interesan asumir. Pero así transcurre la coyuntura de la crisis institucional que le pone fin a la mal llamada 'Década Ganada'. 2 periodistas (ambos de nombre de pila Mariano) fueron entrevistados por Urgente24 Radio para conocer las expectativas a menos de 1 semana de la Marcha del Silencio convocada por fiscales federales y alentada por el periodismo, que la llamó #18F. Mariano Spezzapria, ex secretario general de la agencia Noticias Argentinas hoy columnista político dominical del diario El Día (La P lata); y Mariano Obarrio, redactor del diario La Nación (Ciudad de Buenos Aires), conductor de Unas Cuantas Verdades (sábados a las 10:00 por Concepto FM 95.5) y con blog propio (http://unascuantasverdades.com/). Spezzapria dijo que en el núcleo más duro del kirchnerismo, “la reacción es la de no dar un paso atrás”, en cuanto a los cuestionamientos que viene sufriendo la Presidenta. Obarrió dijo que en Casa Rosada: “Hay una falta de estrategia y una desorientación bastante visible. Nadie sabe si será un costo político muy alto sumarse a la marcha u oponerse lisa y llanamente”.

    11/02/2015: La presidenta Cristina Fernández de Kirchner le habla a su gente en un patio interior de Casa de Gobierno. FOTO NA: PRESIDENCIA
    CIUDAD DE BUENOS AIRES (Urgente24). Cuenta regresiva hacia la Marcha del Silencio, que ocurrirá el miércoles próximo, conocido ya en las redes sociales como #18F, en medio de una campaña electoral que se ha complicado muchísimo. Desde 2012 que no ocurren grandes movilizaciones populares. La más reciente fue el #8N, en medio de la disputa por la aplicación de la Ley de Servicios de Comunicación Audiovisual y el intento de Cristina Fernández de Kirchner por descuartizar el Grupo Clarín, lo que fue percibido por una mayoría de la población como una amenaza a la libertad de expresión. En el electoral 2013 no ocurrió movilización popular multitudinaria alguna quizá porque los ciudadanos eligieron expresarse en las urnas: en agosto y en octubre le propinaron una paliza al Frente para la Victoria y acabaron con el anhelo de re-reelección de Cristina. En 2014 fracasaron varios intentos de movilización mientras la imagen pública de Cristina se recuperaba, con Daniel Scioli como beneficiario directo. Pero 2015 ha comenzado como una tromba. Apenas es febrero y la muerte del fiscal especial Alberto Nisman y el enojo por la sucesión de escándalos de corrupción K han decidido a muchos a salir a las calles ante la convocatoria de un grupo de fiscales federales que no integran la genuflexa y burda agrupación K Justicia Legítima.
    El periodista Mariano Spezzapria (diario El Día, de La Plata, capital bonaerense), en diálogo con el programa Urgente24 Radio (Concepto FM 95.5), habló acerca del candidato oficialista mejor posicionado, Daniel Scioli: “Él se dio cuenta hace rato que su candidatura no tiene un traje de amianto aunque era lo que todo el mundo especulaba porque nunca nada lo afectaba. El caso Nisman tiene un impacto social muy profundo y el gobernador comprendió que tiene que diferenciarse de alguna manera”. El otro periodista invitado, Mariano Obarrio (diario La Nación) expresó: “Hay un paréntesis en la campaña electoral. Y habrá un cambio: las consecuencias del caso Nisman serán parte de la campaña. El ejercer el periodismo o la justicia sin que corra riesgo tu vida se instala en el centro de un debate que le impide a los candidatos hacer pie en temas de políticas de gobierno p orque ellos están obligados a hablar de estas cuestiones”.
    Aquí parte del diálogo con Spezzapria y Obarrio:
    Edgar Mainhard: -Estamos a menos de una semana del 18F. ¿Qué sospecha Ud. que está ocurriendo dentro de la administración K acerca del 18F?
    Mariano Spezzapria: -Por un lado la reacción del núcleo duro del kirchenrismo, de la Presidenta y de La Cámpora es el de no dar un paso atrás, tal como lo demostró ella por cadena nacional de radio y TV. Empezaron a hablar de confrontar con la Marcha del Silencio pero también se está abriendo alguna situación de diferencia y cortocircuito con lo que es el Partido Justicialista más clásico. Eso es lo que expresó el bonaerense José Pampuro, que trabaja para (Daniel) Scioli, al expresar que “se debería ir a la marcha”; o lo que explicitó del jefe del bloque Frente para la Victoria en el Senado de la Nación, Miguel Ángel Pichetto, aceptando satisfacer el pedido de 1 minuto de silencio en el recinto, en memoria del fiscal (Alberto) Nisman.
    EM: -¿Hay decisión política de desbande en el PJ si la movilización del 18F llega a resultar tan exitosa o numerosa como se prevé?
    Mariano Obarrio: -Sí, creo que hay diferencias hasta dentro del propio seno de la Casa Rosada. Hace 3 días, el secretario general de la Presidencia, Aníbal Fernández, dijo que los fiscales tienen el derecho a protestar y que estaba garantizado pero que el foco del gobierno estaba puesto en la oposición. Luego salió el diputado nacional Jorge Landau, apoderado del PJ, a dar una visión muchísima más dura, embistiendo contra los fiscales federales al advertirles que participando de la Marcha, ellos podían ser blanco de recusación futura. Más tarde Cristina (Fernández de Kirchner) dijo: “A ellos le dejamos el silencio”. Hay una falta de estrategia y de coordinación dentro de la Casa Rosada y una desorientación bastante visible respecto a este tema (la muerte de Nisman). Hay mucha preocupación por los efectos, nadie sabe si será un costo político muy alto sumarse a la marcha u oponerse lisa y llanamente. En cuanto a l PJ, creo que la marcha va a marcar un hito. Landau hizo un comunicado muy fuerte sobre el caso Nisman diciendo que era un complot contra Cristina Fernández de parte de los espías y de los empresarios; y esa línea no la compartió la mayoría de los gobernadores del PJ. Hoy la mayoría de los gobernadores sciolistas quisieran estar en la marcha.
    EM: -¿Hay vida para Daniel Scioli después del 18F?
    MS: -Scioli se dio cuenta hace rato que su candidatura no tiene un traje de amianto como todo el mundo especulaba en la política, o que nunca nada lo afectaba. El caso Nisman tiene un impacto social muy profundo y el gobernador se dio cuenta que tiene que diferenciarse de alguna manera. Hay que ver si le alcanza esta postura de matices para que la sociedad lo diferencie respecto de Cristina, que se ha hundido por su reacción en el caso.
    EM: -¿Cómo imaginá el jueves 19/02 en la Quinta de Olivos?
    MO: -Los efectos me los imagino un poco similar a lo que ocurrió luego de la muerte de Nisman. La Presidenta por lo general no reacciona. Hubo oportunidades en las que ha reaccionado bajando un poco la cabeza o cambiando un poco de rumbo pero hoy la veo muy combativa. Hay gente que se pregunta: '¿Por qué ella redobla la apuesta si es una Presidenta que se está por ir?' Hay gente que se pregunta si ella está pensando en un retiro en paz o una salida confrontativa, sin medir las consecuencias o si piensa en alguna otra cuestión aún más extrema. Hay que dejar en claro que ella va a terminar el 10 de diciembre. A todos los partidos políticos les conviene que termine bien su mandato porque todos quieren llegar con elecciones ordenadas. Pero es evidente que hay militantes K que están jugando al autogolpe de Estado. La Presidenta misma juega a una guerra de conspiraciones para presentarse como una v íctima y muchos se preguntan con qué objetivo lo hace. Hoy (jueves 12/02) alguien arrojó en el centro de la ciudad panfletos hoy (12/02) que decían: “Quieren voltear a la Presidenta, hoy más que nunca defendámosla”. Cuando vemos esto nos preguntamos qué hay detrás.
    EM: -¿Cuál será la agenda post 18F? ¿Corrupción o economía?
    MS: -Claramente será la corrupción. Los próximos 3 o 4 meses será el tema de la agenda, no sólo por el caso Nisman sino por todas las demás causas que tiene el gobierno y que son muy pesadas. Tal como ocurrio con el tema de Lázaro Báez o la imputación al hijo de Cristina (Máximo Kirchner). Habrá 3 o 4 meses donde el gobierno sentirá el peso de la justicia. En el momento más concreto de la votación pesará más la economía.
    Claudio Chiaruttini: -¿Cómo retoman la campaña electoral los presidenciables en este momento donde todo lo domina el tema Nisman y el tema judicial a causas que le pegan al gobierno?
    MO: -La campaña electoral sufrió un paréntesis. En el futuro, las consecuencias del caso Nisman serán parte de la campaña. El tema de ejercer el periodismo o la justicia sin que corra riesgo tu vida tapa la campaña electoral. Los candidatos no pueden hacer pie en temas de políticas de gobierno concretas. Están obligados a hablar de este hoy por hoy. Quería hacer una mención sobre los abogados de (Amado) Boudou que renunciaron hoy (12/02), ellos tenían sellada su suerte desde que Cristina echó a Jaime Stiuso y a Francisco Larcher de la SIDE. Todos saben en el gobierno que Diego Pirota y Darío Richarte estaban vinculados con Stiuso e incluso muchos dicen que la defensa de Boudou que ellos ejercían era una defensa vinculada a los intereses de la SIDE. Ellos formaban parte del 'status quo'. Esto confirma las sospechas del gobierno de la velocidad que fueron tomando las causas que comprometían a la Presidenta y sus funcionarios. En rel ación a las elecciones, a pesar de todo, la gente suele votar más con el bolsillo que con el tema de la corrupción.
    MS: -La vigencia de la agenda de corrupción o anticorrupción está beneficiando de movida a (Mauricio) Macri. La percepción de que sería el próximo tema apresuró en el PRO el anuncio de la alianza con Elisa Carrió, sin duda una dirigente percibida como que puede desplegar esa bandera durante la campaña. No creo que la elección interna resulte un problema para Macri porque según las encuestas puede ganarla con facilidad. El objetivo es otro. A Sergio Massa también le viene bien esta situación pero no creo que ninguno de los precandidatos a Presidente estén centralizando la agenda. Para los ciudadanos, las elecciones están demasiado lejos y lo que reina es una incertidumbre política y social, dejando lo electoral en un tercer plano. Insisto: en el caso Nisman, Macri puede obtener mayor beneficio político que el resto de los presidenciables.

  5. ana
    02/13,2015 | 12:22

    YO NO LE LLAMO SIRVIENTA .Es NUESTRA SOBERANA INSTITUCIONAL DIGAMOS ,NUESTRA PRIMERA MAGISTRADA ,NUESTRA REPRESENTANTE GENUINA(POR ELECCIONES LIBRES Y DEMOCRATICAS) ANTE EL EXTERIOR.
    Yo en realidad no le falto el respeto.
    Tampoco lo ha hecho con el CANCILLER.
    Solo cuento la verdad.
    Es atroz el asunto ,la muerte de un fiscal ,AGRAVADO PORQUE SON MUCHACHOS (el y su ex señora) PROMOCIONADOS POR EL PRIMER MAGISTRADO ESPOSO DE LA SEÑORA PRESIDENTA.
    Ademas con el antecedente QUE LA EX SEÑORA DEL FALLECIDO FISCAL FUE OBEDIENTE A LA POLITICA GUBERNAMENTAL EN EL SENTIDO HASTA QUE LE SACO LA ROPA INTERIOR A LA HIJA DE LA SRA NOBLE PARA CUMPLIR PROLIJAMENTE CON LAS DILIGENCIAS TENDIENTES A SABER SI ERA HIJA DE DESAPARECIDOS.
    Eso es historia ,como al pobre ALBARIÑO que murió para perturbación de mi propia madre SIN GRACIA DE DIOS,Y A QUIEN PERON NO MATO(era LEON HERBIVORO) sino que burlo bien burlado.
    Aca la señora PRESIDENTE (que no ha sido en ese sentido agraviada por mi) SOLO TENDRIA QUE TENER SENTIMIENTO HACIA ARROYO SALGADO (consolar a las criaturas ha de ser peliagudo también)
    Yo cuando hablo ,QUE CREO QUE HASTA ABOGADA ES ,no la califico de nada SOLO QUE TIENE UN TIPO DE TEMPERAMENTO QUE QUIZAS COINCIDA CON LA MAYORIA DEL PAIS ,que le vamos a hacer LA PELICULA ASPIRA AL OSCAR.

  6. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 12:38

    Ni siquiera gran admiración por la NOBLE TENGO ,Edgardo ,ud sabe que reparto para todos lados Y QUE CONSIDERO A LA OPO COMO UNA POTENCIADORA DEL KIRCHNERISMO.
    Oposición la vivimos SIN POLITICA con el problema del campo.ALLI NOS ATACO LA SEÑORA PRESIDENTA Y NOS HUMILLO.
    CON NUESTRO DINERO(de pequeños y medianos) MANTUVO TOTALMENTE EL SUEÑO DEL PROYECTO POPULAR.Bien ,como le digo a SU EX MINISTRO LOUSTEAU EN SU MISMA CARA ,AMBOS SE CUIDARON MUY BIEN DE LA PROGRESIVIDAD.
    Sin embargo eso LA DERROTO ,LO DERROTO AL MARIDO.
    SIN EMBARGO LA OPO DE SARLO Y SU EX SOCIO CLARIN LA CATAPULTO.
    NO SE OLVIDE QUE ESTA OPO donde esa señora que nombro(EX MILITANTE MUCHO MAS IMPORTANTE QUE CRISTINA QUE NI SIQUIERA LO FUE) dirigiendo prácticamente con su EXPERIENCIA Y SABIDURIA ESTA OPO también de corte afin al gobierno CALLO POR AÑOS QUE EL PAIS ESTABA ENDEUDADO.
    Bueno fue el desendeudamiento (NO TENIA OTRO REMEDIO UNO QUE HA DIRIGIDO HOGAR TIENE TAMBIEN QUE PAGAR INTERESE USURARIOS PARA ARREGLAR PAVADAS TAMBIEN)PERO LE SALTO LA YARARA DE LOS BONOS QUE SU MARIDO(como gobernador provincial) CONTRIBUYO A POTENCIAR AL PRECIPITAR EL PAIS EN EL DEFAULT.
    EL MARIDO SE BURLO DE DE LA RUA Y EL DEFAULT LE CAYO A SU MUJER CON LA REGULARIDAD DE SUS DIEZ AÑOS.
    Yo ,la conoci a la presidenta siendo senadora Y DE GRAN RESPETO POR PARTE DE LA REPRESENTATIVIDAD DE ISRAEL.
    SE HA DE ACORDAR COMO EL ESTADO DE ISRAEL LA AYUDO CON LOS HIELOS ,TENDRA BUENA MEMORIA AL RESPECTO.
    Era una buena SENADORA e incluso sus opiniones sobre LO QUE SUCEDIO CON AMIA coincidían con las mias en aquellos lejanísimos tiempos.
    PERO YO JAMAS DE LOS JAMASES CONFIE EN ELLOS ,a pesar que siempre(durante el gobierno del marido) fui totalmente respetuosa .CON ELLA TAMBIEN HASTA LO DEL CAMPO Y ESE CRITERO DE ATROPELLO HACIA LA PRODUCCION QUE LE MANTUVO EL PROYECTO NO LO OLVIDO.
    TAMPOCO LO OLVIDO CON RESPECTO A LOUSTEAU.

  7. 02/13,2015 | 13:55

    Yo tampoco la llamo sirvienta Edgardo. Mi mucama es una mujer digna y trabajadora. Que tanto ella como su marido y como otros tantos se rompen bien el culo para sobrevivir y poder educar a sus hijos.
    Todo lo contrario de la sinvergüenza que funge como presidente y que en realidad lo usurpa, igual que el delincuente de su marido, felizmente muerto.

  8. ana
    02/13,2015 | 14:15

    Bueno ,esto es muy grave YA ESTA IMPUTADA.
    SE LA CITA A INDAGATORIA
    SUPONGO QUE LA DIPUTADITA(una chica que me parece muy buena persona) tendrá que promover JUICIO POLITICO
    Esto si me parece mucho mejor que INCLUSO CUALQUIER MARCHA.
    Esto es serio ,o lo que se debería esperar normalmente.

  9. ana
    02/13,2015 | 14:20

    ME ENCANTARIA QUE ELLA CONTARA LA VERDAD ,PERO LOS INTERESES EN COMUN SON MUY PERO MUY GRANDES ,EDGARDO.
    PERO no se que pasa ,pero al final las cosas van a tener que salir a luz.
    NO PRECISAMENTE TANTO EN STIUSSO Y TODA ESA PARAFERNALIA DE VIVEZAS QUE HAYAN HECHO MERCED A PODER JUDICIAL Y SERVICIOS.
    LO QUE TENDRIA QUE EXPLICAR SON LOS ENJUAGUES QUE HA HECHO PRECISAMENTE CON LAS CONSECUENCIAS DEL ATENTADO.
    ALLI SALDRIAN A LUZ EN LA PELEA DE SUS SPONSERS CON ANTERIORES SPONSERS ETC ETC QUIENES LA APOYARON PARA QUE DURARA TANTO TIEMPO.
    LA INDOLE DE LA OBLIGACION QUE TUVO PARA DESIMPUTAR.

  10. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 14:22

    PUEDA SER QUE PERDIDA POR PERDIDA CUENTE LA VERDAD.

  11. 02/13,2015 | 14:27

    ESTOS DIAS al ver la TASK FORCE de sus socios EN PROVOCACION DEL DEFAULT DEL MARIDO me impresiono
    ESTA IMPUTADA DIRECTAMENTE POR APOYO DE SUS SOCIOS
    SE ACUERDA CUANDO LES DECIA QUE LAS MANIFESTACIONES DE LA GENTE AUNQUE FUERAN IMPRESIONANTES COMO UNA QUE VI DE ADENTRO ,NO IBAN A TENER RESULTADO PORQUE NO TENIAN APOYO EXTERIOR.
    BUENO ESTA VUELTA LOS SOCIOS ESTAN APOYANDO.
    ESPERO QUE ELLA CANTE TAMBIEN ,ASI DEJAMOS DE TENER PRESIDENTES CON SOCIOS POR CONVENIENCIA.

  12. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 14:29

    ESPERO CON FE EN EL ALTISIMO QUE LA IMPUTACION A TIMMERMAN HAGA ESTALLAR LA BOMBA.
    DEPENDE DE LA PRENSA QUE NO SE QUEDE ,ADREDE ,EN DETALLES INTRASCENDENTES PARA TAPAR.

  13. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 14:36

    No creo que pueda haber mucha reacción del lado contrario tampoco.
    Fijese un detalle (que esto aparte es pelea INTERNA ENTRE PARES) que se produjo con el deschave de los TUITS QUE ELLA ESCRIBIO.
    CON ESO CHINA SE DA POR OFENDIDA Y SE QUEDA QUIETECITA ,EL DRAGONCITO CON EL FUEGO EN LA BOCA.
    Los otros recién están pidiendo CANCHA PARA VENIR REFUGIADOS ,por ahora están enfrente Y MUJICA TAMPOCO LE TIENE SIMPATIA A LA TERCA.

  14. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 14:41

    My friend del otro blog dice que será para abril o para mayo.
    N BRAVO Y MUY ENOJADO !!!!!!!!!N QUE NO ES NISMAN Y ADEMAS MUY NECESITADO EN PARAR OTRAS COSAS.

  15. 02/13,2015 | 14:51

    The oldest you all due respect and appreciation where making a lot of effort in the development of this subject

  16. 02/13,2015 | 14:52

    Thread coordinator nicely distinctive and writer. Wait for you more threads about this area .

  17. 02/13,2015 | 14:53

    I do not know how to thank you but already the subject deserves thanks and respect

  18. 02/13,2015 | 14:54

    I do not know how to thank you but already the subject deserves thanks and respect

  19. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 15:00

    SI NO REVIENTA LA PELEA ENTRE PARES ,esta solo se puede prender DE LA PRESION DE LOS ACREEDORES CONTRA SU GOBIERNO POPULAR.
    Es importante la pelea que se va a armar.Depende de TIMMERMAN que ha de ser el que tenia el permiso especial.
    ACA SE TERMINA STIUSSO O NO STIUSSO ,ACA VAMOS A VER QUE PASO.

  20. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 15:09

    YASER ARAFAT ,aca nada que ver una persona como esa .No creo que entre en el tira y afloje
    QUIZAS EL TIRA Y AFLOJE TIENE GENTE MEZCLADA EN EL MEDIO ORIENTE DE AMBOS LADOS
    NO SE SI YASER ENTIENDE EL CASTELLANO.

  21. 02/13,2015 | 15:34

    NO ESPERE EN EL ALTISIMO ANA , DE TIMERMAN ME VOY A ENCARGAR YO MISMO,SIEMPRE JUDICAMENTE HABLANDO Y SE EXACTAMENTE COMO HACERLO.
    LAS SIRVIENTAS PUEDEN SER EXCELENTES,UNA DE ELLAS SIRVIO A MI ABUELA TODA SU VIDA Y CUANDO MI ABUELA FALLECIO,A LOS 97 AÑOS SE LA DESPIDIO CON 5000 LIBRAS ESTERLINAS DE LA EPOCA.
    PERO ESTA SIRVIENTITA DE CASA DE GOBIERNO NO SE ROBO SOLAMENTE LA PLATERIA SINO A TODO EL PUEBLO ARGENTINO.
    MI FAMILIA ESTA EN EL RIO DE LA PLATA DESDE EL 1700,CREAMOS ESTANCIAS ,SALADEROS Y ELECTRIFICAMOS TODO LO QUE PUDIMOS.TAMBIEN CORRIMOS AL INDIO CON EL REMINGTON Y ME PARECE QUE HICIMOS SUSTANCIALMENTE UN TRABAJO EXCELENTE.
    SALUDOS.
    ARRIVILLAGA.

  22. ANA
    02/13,2015 | 15:38

    Parece que la DRA GIL CARBO se acordó que el derecho exige total objetividad en su interpretación y es hora de acesarse un poco.
    TERMINO que me lo ha corregido el INTERNET mal porque es sinónimo (que ahora no se usa tanto) de PONERSE JUICIOSA.

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